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		<title>By: Kim</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/loneliness-in-addiction-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-12642</link>
		<dc:creator>Kim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 May 2010 15:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hear you John you, it sounds like you are feeling intense hopelessness over getting your needs for deep connection with others and for experiencing the joy that connected moments bring?

I imagine your stratedy to come with this is to imagine that it&#039;s not possible and that others are living a lie.  I I can see how this makes sense to you especially if you have been unhappy and only pretended to be happy for the sake of some social convention.

I am also getting the sense, that you also long to be authentic and true to your integrity, so the phoniness on your part (do to some pressure to conform) would only add to your irritation and pain.  Akin to an insult to injury experience.

I am so sorry for how long it has been that you have been going without these needs.  And how deprived you have been from experiencing a love that touches your soul.

I do know this (as a mother of young children) that babies cannotsurvive without someone being in tune with them and that babies bond in order to learn and that all of us had a babihood time where we were expressive in an authentic way,  we experience joy and sadness and all the feelings we had a natual expectancy to keep on learning which meant a that we did not carry hang ups and negative attitudes (that come from wounds inflicted on our spirit by wounded people).  We were playful and in the present and positive about our future, we believed in ourselves and each other so we kept on trying to crawl or walk and if we were breastfed we enjoyed the emotional, physical, pleasurableness of contact being lovingly head and the proxmity of skin contact, etc.

We find meaning in hope (the attitude that there must be a better way) that so we can live expeirencing the jou of our wounds in life get the healing they need and our commitment to preventing wounds and bring healing to others, learning how to make this contribution in the world brings true authentic and deep connections, joyful moments, meaningful life and peaceful contentment that is savored with gratitude and appreciation, no matter how tiny the improvement ( just like when we were babies) and no need to escape into addiction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hear you John you, it sounds like you are feeling intense hopelessness over getting your needs for deep connection with others and for experiencing the joy that connected moments bring?</p>
<p>I imagine your stratedy to come with this is to imagine that it&#8217;s not possible and that others are living a lie.  I I can see how this makes sense to you especially if you have been unhappy and only pretended to be happy for the sake of some social convention.</p>
<p>I am also getting the sense, that you also long to be authentic and true to your integrity, so the phoniness on your part (do to some pressure to conform) would only add to your irritation and pain.  Akin to an insult to injury experience.</p>
<p>I am so sorry for how long it has been that you have been going without these needs.  And how deprived you have been from experiencing a love that touches your soul.</p>
<p>I do know this (as a mother of young children) that babies cannotsurvive without someone being in tune with them and that babies bond in order to learn and that all of us had a babihood time where we were expressive in an authentic way,  we experience joy and sadness and all the feelings we had a natual expectancy to keep on learning which meant a that we did not carry hang ups and negative attitudes (that come from wounds inflicted on our spirit by wounded people).  We were playful and in the present and positive about our future, we believed in ourselves and each other so we kept on trying to crawl or walk and if we were breastfed we enjoyed the emotional, physical, pleasurableness of contact being lovingly head and the proxmity of skin contact, etc.</p>
<p>We find meaning in hope (the attitude that there must be a better way) that so we can live expeirencing the jou of our wounds in life get the healing they need and our commitment to preventing wounds and bring healing to others, learning how to make this contribution in the world brings true authentic and deep connections, joyful moments, meaningful life and peaceful contentment that is savored with gratitude and appreciation, no matter how tiny the improvement ( just like when we were babies) and no need to escape into addiction.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator>John</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Dec 2009 19:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe opening up at these groups does make you feel better for that instant but it doesn&#039;t really tackle the issue of being addicted to isolation. Maybe it&#039;s just me. I find that talking about problems and issues in our lives doesn&#039;t make it easier but rather harder and adds to the cycle of isolation addiction. It is never really as simple as you or other people make it out to be. I find that it is not directly an addiction to isolation but rather you addiction to other things that make you really isolated. 
For me it seems to be an addiction to pain, suffering, stress and anxiety that fuels my need for being isolated. It has been so long since i have been truly happy that i have forgotten all about it. I don&#039;t even know what it means to be truly happy, if there is such a thing. 
It is only through isolation that i can begin to understand the reasons for my behaviour. I know that it is not healthy to be isolated but i like it because it fuels my rage and hatred of myself, which for me is more rewarding that being with people. I know that i&#039;m not right in the head, but i don&#039;t know anything else. 
Ever since i can remember i have been more attached to pain, hatred and discust
that i don&#039;t really believe that love is real. It seems to me as a form of control. I think people pretend that it is real to make their lives easier when it is infact making them weak an ill-prepared for the truth.
Life is meaningless. We come into this world by ourselves and we wil leave it by ourselves so what difference does it really make if you spend your life in isolation.
all these things love, compassion and other BS is just a way to try and justify our existence and keep everyone in control. Over the years it has just become an accepted way of life. But the fact of the matter is our life is meaningless. We are animals that suppress our instincts because it is supposed to be right or civilised. but throught this suppresson of our primal instincts we are isolating ourselves from the very things that make us human. 
So now look at your life and tell me your not living a lie or under some form of control. It is only by being isolated that we truly find out who we are and we can truly be ourselves.
When you are with people don&#039;t you find that you hold yourself back or don&#039;t do something that you want to? I&#039;m sure you do. Now ask yourself why don&#039;t you? 
It is all a form of control over you, that has been implanted when your growing up. &quot;you aren&#039;t allowed to do this?&quot; etc.  But then we are denying our human impluses to become something that someone else wants you to be, and you don&#039;t even realize it. And we are supposed to call this being free. 
Who decides what level of freedom we should have and why should they choose what way i live my life. Therefore isolation is a means of escapism from the reality that our lives are shit and bound by controls, rules and regulations. 
The fact of the matter is that we are isolating ourselves from the very thing that makes us human.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe opening up at these groups does make you feel better for that instant but it doesn&#8217;t really tackle the issue of being addicted to isolation. Maybe it&#8217;s just me. I find that talking about problems and issues in our lives doesn&#8217;t make it easier but rather harder and adds to the cycle of isolation addiction. It is never really as simple as you or other people make it out to be. I find that it is not directly an addiction to isolation but rather you addiction to other things that make you really isolated.<br />
For me it seems to be an addiction to pain, suffering, stress and anxiety that fuels my need for being isolated. It has been so long since i have been truly happy that i have forgotten all about it. I don&#8217;t even know what it means to be truly happy, if there is such a thing.<br />
It is only through isolation that i can begin to understand the reasons for my behaviour. I know that it is not healthy to be isolated but i like it because it fuels my rage and hatred of myself, which for me is more rewarding that being with people. I know that i&#8217;m not right in the head, but i don&#8217;t know anything else.<br />
Ever since i can remember i have been more attached to pain, hatred and discust<br />
that i don&#8217;t really believe that love is real. It seems to me as a form of control. I think people pretend that it is real to make their lives easier when it is infact making them weak an ill-prepared for the truth.<br />
Life is meaningless. We come into this world by ourselves and we wil leave it by ourselves so what difference does it really make if you spend your life in isolation.<br />
all these things love, compassion and other BS is just a way to try and justify our existence and keep everyone in control. Over the years it has just become an accepted way of life. But the fact of the matter is our life is meaningless. We are animals that suppress our instincts because it is supposed to be right or civilised. but throught this suppresson of our primal instincts we are isolating ourselves from the very things that make us human.<br />
So now look at your life and tell me your not living a lie or under some form of control. It is only by being isolated that we truly find out who we are and we can truly be ourselves.<br />
When you are with people don&#8217;t you find that you hold yourself back or don&#8217;t do something that you want to? I&#8217;m sure you do. Now ask yourself why don&#8217;t you?<br />
It is all a form of control over you, that has been implanted when your growing up. &#8220;you aren&#8217;t allowed to do this?&#8221; etc.  But then we are denying our human impluses to become something that someone else wants you to be, and you don&#8217;t even realize it. And we are supposed to call this being free.<br />
Who decides what level of freedom we should have and why should they choose what way i live my life. Therefore isolation is a means of escapism from the reality that our lives are shit and bound by controls, rules and regulations.<br />
The fact of the matter is that we are isolating ourselves from the very thing that makes us human.</p>
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		<title>By: Addiction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Love as Play</title>
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		<dc:creator>Addiction &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Love as Play</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 11:12:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Loneliness In Addiction RecoveryBecause in addiction you have distanced yourself from a lot of the positive people in your life and have instead chosen to surround yourself with people who have the same addictive qualities as yourself, once you enter into recovery and &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Loneliness In Addiction RecoveryBecause in addiction you have distanced yourself from a lot of the positive people in your life and have instead chosen to surround yourself with people who have the same addictive qualities as yourself, once you enter into recovery and &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bottlecappie</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/loneliness-in-addiction-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-1518</link>
		<dc:creator>bottlecappie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 05:46:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Erin, you&#039;ve been tagged. Check out my blog for the facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Erin, you&#8217;ve been tagged. Check out my blog for the facts.</p>
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		<title>By: bottlecappie</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/loneliness-in-addiction-recovery/comment-page-1/#comment-1496</link>
		<dc:creator>bottlecappie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Erin - I read your Ebbs and Flows post too. I feel that way a lot; like I fall in and out of love with life on a monthly basis. I try to remember that a lot of processes in life are cyclical, so recovery and healing probably are too. Keeping a visual of progress being in the shape of an ascending spiral helps me a lot - it helps me see that even when it seems like I&#039;m moving backwards, I&#039;m not. 

I isolated myself because of depression long before I started taking painkillers. And having fibro really exacerbated the whole situation. I&#039;d never want to commit to doing anything because I&#039;d never know if I&#039;d have the energy or be pain-free that day. During those times the computer was my life line.

Nowadays I&#039;m slowly rebuilding my social life. It&#039;s hard though. People wear me out, or maybe I&#039;m just worn out and it&#039;s hard to keep up appearances. But I know that I need that contact with my friends and family, and I&#039;m trying to give myself the things I need. Reading your post reinforced that for me. I think tomorrow I&#039;ll call a friend and make a coffee date.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Erin &#8211; I read your Ebbs and Flows post too. I feel that way a lot; like I fall in and out of love with life on a monthly basis. I try to remember that a lot of processes in life are cyclical, so recovery and healing probably are too. Keeping a visual of progress being in the shape of an ascending spiral helps me a lot &#8211; it helps me see that even when it seems like I&#8217;m moving backwards, I&#8217;m not. </p>
<p>I isolated myself because of depression long before I started taking painkillers. And having fibro really exacerbated the whole situation. I&#8217;d never want to commit to doing anything because I&#8217;d never know if I&#8217;d have the energy or be pain-free that day. During those times the computer was my life line.</p>
<p>Nowadays I&#8217;m slowly rebuilding my social life. It&#8217;s hard though. People wear me out, or maybe I&#8217;m just worn out and it&#8217;s hard to keep up appearances. But I know that I need that contact with my friends and family, and I&#8217;m trying to give myself the things I need. Reading your post reinforced that for me. I think tomorrow I&#8217;ll call a friend and make a coffee date.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 20:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally relate. I was a solitary drinker (actually, &quot;alone in a crowd&quot; would be more accurate) and felt isolated. Before I found my recovery group, there is no way I would&#039;ve shared openly (trust issues). Once I did find a group, I was encouraged (but not forced) to share and found out early that it lifts the burden, rather than increases it.

And re: recovery ebbing and flowing--I&#039;m glad I&#039;m not the only one!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally relate. I was a solitary drinker (actually, &#8220;alone in a crowd&#8221; would be more accurate) and felt isolated. Before I found my recovery group, there is no way I would&#8217;ve shared openly (trust issues). Once I did find a group, I was encouraged (but not forced) to share and found out early that it lifts the burden, rather than increases it.</p>
<p>And re: recovery ebbing and flowing&#8211;I&#8217;m glad I&#8217;m not the only one!</p>
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		<title>By: Erin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 15:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are definitely welcome. I&#039;m not sure if you have ever read Athena&#039;s blog from the write thought but you and her would have a lot in common. 

I know for myself, it is difficult for me to read both of your blogs because it really makes me realize what my addiction was like for my family...not just how it effected me. 

So while they are difficult to read they are very necessary to read because my family has never expressed just what it was they went through with my addiction. Your honesty about the situation has shown me what heartache a relapse would cause and it is one more negative consequence to outweigh the positive when I&#039;m trying to ride out a craving. Thank you</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are definitely welcome. I&#8217;m not sure if you have ever read Athena&#8217;s blog from the write thought but you and her would have a lot in common. </p>
<p>I know for myself, it is difficult for me to read both of your blogs because it really makes me realize what my addiction was like for my family&#8230;not just how it effected me. </p>
<p>So while they are difficult to read they are very necessary to read because my family has never expressed just what it was they went through with my addiction. Your honesty about the situation has shown me what heartache a relapse would cause and it is one more negative consequence to outweigh the positive when I&#8217;m trying to ride out a craving. Thank you</p>
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		<title>By: pat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 01:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for giving me a clearer insight. It helps me understand my son even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for giving me a clearer insight. It helps me understand my son even more.</p>
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