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		<title>By: Tonya</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/suboxone-help-spot-message-board/comment-page-1/#comment-11427</link>
		<dc:creator>Tonya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Mar 2010 01:53:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I just came back to see what these boards were like now and saw my own post from a year ago. I am Tonya and was on 24 mg a year ago. Now I&#039;m doing great on 8mg a day. There seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding it but I&#039;m totally grateful for the option. With the suboxone and great therapy I finally made the changes I needed to (divorce).  I&#039;ve never been happier and take it day by day. If I taper in the near future or stay on it the rest of my life that&#039;s ok. I&#039;m surrounded by narcotics in my job and don&#039;t want to lose the profession I love. Good luck to you all. Do what&#039;s best for you and what is a healthy option to keep you well!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I just came back to see what these boards were like now and saw my own post from a year ago. I am Tonya and was on 24 mg a year ago. Now I&#8217;m doing great on 8mg a day. There seems to be a lot of negativity surrounding it but I&#8217;m totally grateful for the option. With the suboxone and great therapy I finally made the changes I needed to (divorce).  I&#8217;ve never been happier and take it day by day. If I taper in the near future or stay on it the rest of my life that&#8217;s ok. I&#8217;m surrounded by narcotics in my job and don&#8217;t want to lose the profession I love. Good luck to you all. Do what&#8217;s best for you and what is a healthy option to keep you well!</p>
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		<title>By: john</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/suboxone-help-spot-message-board/comment-page-1/#comment-11421</link>
		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 18:40:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read on a website that you shouldnt take suboxone occasional. I&#039;m wondering why this is, because i have used it on a &quot;as needed&quot; basis. Well it would be greatly appreciated to have this question answered. thank you, your friend slomo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read on a website that you shouldnt take suboxone occasional. I&#8217;m wondering why this is, because i have used it on a &#8220;as needed&#8221; basis. Well it would be greatly appreciated to have this question answered. thank you, your friend slomo</p>
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		<title>By: jza</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/suboxone-help-spot-message-board/comment-page-1/#comment-8256</link>
		<dc:creator>jza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 31 Jan 2010 17:04:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading this post i laughed i was a straight up junkie for years doing insane amounts of black a day..i finally pulled my head out of my A**..One thing i hate about reading these posts is everyone is negative about the treatment they receive or are thinking about...YOU WONT KNOW UNLESS YOU GIVE IT A FAIR SHOT...PICK YOUR BALLS BACK UP OF THE FLOOR AND LIVE THE GOOD LIFE IT TAKES TIME AN WORK THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME YOU PUT INTO USING..IT OBVIOUSLY MAKES SENSE...ITS GOING TO BE HARD...AND IF IT WASN&#039;T IT WOULDN&#039;T BE WORTH IT TO ANYBODY ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE!! i got on suboxone and in a month i&#039;m off...the only drawback is i can&#039;t sleep as well sometimes but ish it&#039;s something you have to go thru I GOT ME BACK i&#039;m not some zoned out junkie no more...STAY POSITIVE AND REMEMBER WHAT YOUR DOING IT FOR &gt;&gt;&gt;YOU</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading this post i laughed i was a straight up junkie for years doing insane amounts of black a day..i finally pulled my head out of my A**..One thing i hate about reading these posts is everyone is negative about the treatment they receive or are thinking about&#8230;YOU WONT KNOW UNLESS YOU GIVE IT A FAIR SHOT&#8230;PICK YOUR BALLS BACK UP OF THE FLOOR AND LIVE THE GOOD LIFE IT TAKES TIME AN WORK THINK ABOUT HOW MUCH TIME YOU PUT INTO USING..IT OBVIOUSLY MAKES SENSE&#8230;ITS GOING TO BE HARD&#8230;AND IF IT WASN&#8217;T IT WOULDN&#8217;T BE WORTH IT TO ANYBODY ONLY THE STRONG SURVIVE!! i got on suboxone and in a month i&#8217;m off&#8230;the only drawback is i can&#8217;t sleep as well sometimes but ish it&#8217;s something you have to go thru I GOT ME BACK i&#8217;m not some zoned out junkie no more&#8230;STAY POSITIVE AND REMEMBER WHAT YOUR DOING IT FOR &gt;&gt;&gt;YOU</p>
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		<title>By: Greg from Oz</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/suboxone-help-spot-message-board/comment-page-1/#comment-7478</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg from Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Too many typo&#039;s - I meant max. Suboxe should be 32 and heavy users should hit the maintenance drugs big time. Then again, it&#039;s basically free in Oz so I really feel sorry for people who live in countries with stuffed health systems. I&#039;m trying to imagine it - I&#039;d have to sell my house to get my life back? I can&#039;t imagine it!!!!!!!!! Come over here if you have any medical or other need skills - we are allowed to steal from other first world  countries. You get this great little green plastic card that says Medicare!!!!! In all emergencies all is free, however otherwise (like primary care, if you get the difference) it&#039;s a bit more complex.

Be great if you chose to stay alive. I&#039;m really lonely (ever heard of the tyranny of distance?) and would love new friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too many typo&#8217;s &#8211; I meant max. Suboxe should be 32 and heavy users should hit the maintenance drugs big time. Then again, it&#8217;s basically free in Oz so I really feel sorry for people who live in countries with stuffed health systems. I&#8217;m trying to imagine it &#8211; I&#8217;d have to sell my house to get my life back? I can&#8217;t imagine it!!!!!!!!! Come over here if you have any medical or other need skills &#8211; we are allowed to steal from other first world  countries. You get this great little green plastic card that says Medicare!!!!! In all emergencies all is free, however otherwise (like primary care, if you get the difference) it&#8217;s a bit more complex.</p>
<p>Be great if you chose to stay alive. I&#8217;m really lonely (ever heard of the tyranny of distance?) and would love new friends.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg from Oz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg from Oz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 05:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can I just say something about Suboxone (there are too many comments above for me to digest and everyone has their life story - me too!!!  - I think my keyboard has gone, so excuse typo&#039;s).

1. Suboxone is primarily an opiate blocker with some slight opiate effects - you won&#039;t feel any opiate efects becasue the receptor is full of Bupe (&quot;sort of&quot; like Antabuse that is used for people with alcohol problems - Antabuse makes you violently ill if you drink but it&#039;s dangerous - even some mouth washes can set that one off, as well as benzo&#039;s - I think - need to do more research one that);

2. If you have been a very heavy opiate (i.e. Smack) user - forget Suboxone -  in MY opinion (only) you will be better going on to large (170?) dose of maintenance drugs like Methadone - any normal (then again, what is normal) D&amp;A pro will tell you that - max you get with Suxones (can I just say bupe? - although Suboxone has the Narcan type drug in it - so you can&#039;t hit it - so they are very different) is only 32 mg per day for very good reasons I won&#039;t go in to and, lets face it -  if you want to be off your face,  well bupe won&#039;t cut it;

3. Bupe/S is becoming more useful for the hilly billy heroin addicts (legals) and codeine and it works very well bit it is just a CHEMICAL - just a part of the process - you may have very good reason to want to be whacked off your face (mental illness, death of loved ones, sheer isolation or you just like it) but I guess it&#039;s up to you if you want to adress it  or just die with the crap (I can understand that feeling - DO NOT feel guilty). and,

4. Over a few years - reduce the Done, go on to Bupe, reduce that and your chemical problem is resolved. Easy huh! But the reason why you did it in the the first place isn&#039;t. 12 steppers work for some - really - the best cure is just falling in love, unfortunately, as we get older and with out histories not easy.

5. Nothing is easy. Sometimes I feel like I&#039;d prefer to just die with it. Make your own decision and don&#039;t play Chemists and Doctors. DO YOU WANT TO DIE? - if you keep stiffing around with this junk you will, whilst very evil people use you and get rich. 

We have NO answers - just serious looks and suits. Oh - I noticed something - if you get suboxne down to c. 8 mg (pref. much, much less) withdrawal is mild and should only last a day or two - it&#039;s the psychological addiction that will always kill us - as always. Sorry.

Sorry to repeat any comments above - could only skim and am very tired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I just say something about Suboxone (there are too many comments above for me to digest and everyone has their life story &#8211; me too!!!  &#8211; I think my keyboard has gone, so excuse typo&#8217;s).</p>
<p>1. Suboxone is primarily an opiate blocker with some slight opiate effects &#8211; you won&#8217;t feel any opiate efects becasue the receptor is full of Bupe (&#8220;sort of&#8221; like Antabuse that is used for people with alcohol problems &#8211; Antabuse makes you violently ill if you drink but it&#8217;s dangerous &#8211; even some mouth washes can set that one off, as well as benzo&#8217;s &#8211; I think &#8211; need to do more research one that);</p>
<p>2. If you have been a very heavy opiate (i.e. Smack) user &#8211; forget Suboxone &#8211;  in MY opinion (only) you will be better going on to large (170?) dose of maintenance drugs like Methadone &#8211; any normal (then again, what is normal) D&amp;A pro will tell you that &#8211; max you get with Suxones (can I just say bupe? &#8211; although Suboxone has the Narcan type drug in it &#8211; so you can&#8217;t hit it &#8211; so they are very different) is only 32 mg per day for very good reasons I won&#8217;t go in to and, lets face it &#8211;  if you want to be off your face,  well bupe won&#8217;t cut it;</p>
<p>3. Bupe/S is becoming more useful for the hilly billy heroin addicts (legals) and codeine and it works very well bit it is just a CHEMICAL &#8211; just a part of the process &#8211; you may have very good reason to want to be whacked off your face (mental illness, death of loved ones, sheer isolation or you just like it) but I guess it&#8217;s up to you if you want to adress it  or just die with the crap (I can understand that feeling &#8211; DO NOT feel guilty). and,</p>
<p>4. Over a few years &#8211; reduce the Done, go on to Bupe, reduce that and your chemical problem is resolved. Easy huh! But the reason why you did it in the the first place isn&#8217;t. 12 steppers work for some &#8211; really &#8211; the best cure is just falling in love, unfortunately, as we get older and with out histories not easy.</p>
<p>5. Nothing is easy. Sometimes I feel like I&#8217;d prefer to just die with it. Make your own decision and don&#8217;t play Chemists and Doctors. DO YOU WANT TO DIE? &#8211; if you keep stiffing around with this junk you will, whilst very evil people use you and get rich. </p>
<p>We have NO answers &#8211; just serious looks and suits. Oh &#8211; I noticed something &#8211; if you get suboxne down to c. 8 mg (pref. much, much less) withdrawal is mild and should only last a day or two &#8211; it&#8217;s the psychological addiction that will always kill us &#8211; as always. Sorry.</p>
<p>Sorry to repeat any comments above &#8211; could only skim and am very tired.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 23:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, did anyone get back to you on anything?  any advice?   i could tell you somethings about it, and hopefully help..if you want, email me at jeffnnj197918@aol.com anytime</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, did anyone get back to you on anything?  any advice?   i could tell you somethings about it, and hopefully help..if you want, email me at <a href="mailto:jeffnnj197918@aol.com">jeffnnj197918@aol.com</a> anytime</p>
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		<title>By: erica</title>
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		<dc:creator>erica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 21:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree 100%to everything u said,,thats me too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree 100%to everything u said,,thats me too.</p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
		<link>http://www.whatwinnersdo.com/suboxone-help-spot-message-board/comment-page-1/#comment-6978</link>
		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>did you ever get any info on it?   if not, or if you want to know anything, email me anytime.   jeffnnj197918@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>did you ever get any info on it?   if not, or if you want to know anything, email me anytime.   <a href="mailto:jeffnnj197918@aol.com">jeffnnj197918@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:14:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Im sorry to hear about your loss, and If you want to find any information about the side effects of the drug, go to  http://www.rxlist.com/suboxone-drug.htm ....thats one website, amoung many that you can research that on.  alot will have different opinions on side effects, and someone taking it might nt have any...and then someone that takes just one, might have many side effects, it all depends on the make up of that person taking it.  email me anytime if you wanted to talk or have any ?s    jeffnnj197918@aol.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Im sorry to hear about your loss, and If you want to find any information about the side effects of the drug, go to  <a href="http://www.rxlist.com/suboxone-drug.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.rxlist.com/suboxone-drug.htm</a> &#8230;.thats one website, amoung many that you can research that on.  alot will have different opinions on side effects, and someone taking it might nt have any&#8230;and then someone that takes just one, might have many side effects, it all depends on the make up of that person taking it.  email me anytime if you wanted to talk or have any ?s    <a href="mailto:jeffnnj197918@aol.com">jeffnnj197918@aol.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you there...Everyone reacts different to taking and stopping suboxen...and it also depends on what you were addicted to in the 1st place...If you stop taking that kind of drug, ofcoarse your going to have side effects, maybe worse then the withdrawls you were having when not taking heroin, or percosets, or oxycodone etc..  My doc told me to take 2 , 8.2 mg per day which was around 16...he said id have to do that for a few weeks, maybe 2 months, and then start taking less and less....well, i decided that i didnt need 2 a day and i started taking 1 a day....and to be honest, at times i wont take it til 8 or 9 at night cause i feel fine...The thing is, Paul above here, he had no side effects, if he did im sure it wasnt anything major, and me, im not having any from slowing it down by 1/2...but someone else might have massive side effects or withdrawls when trying to taper off or quit cold turkey...personally i wouldnt advise ANYONE to quit anything cold turkey because you do not know how your body will react.  either you or your doctor should make the decision about cutting down , tappering off, whatever u want to call it...and if he doesnt do it for you, do it yourself, slowly...and eventually...hopefully without any relapses, you will be drug free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you there&#8230;Everyone reacts different to taking and stopping suboxen&#8230;and it also depends on what you were addicted to in the 1st place&#8230;If you stop taking that kind of drug, ofcoarse your going to have side effects, maybe worse then the withdrawls you were having when not taking heroin, or percosets, or oxycodone etc..  My doc told me to take 2 , 8.2 mg per day which was around 16&#8230;he said id have to do that for a few weeks, maybe 2 months, and then start taking less and less&#8230;.well, i decided that i didnt need 2 a day and i started taking 1 a day&#8230;.and to be honest, at times i wont take it til 8 or 9 at night cause i feel fine&#8230;The thing is, Paul above here, he had no side effects, if he did im sure it wasnt anything major, and me, im not having any from slowing it down by 1/2&#8230;but someone else might have massive side effects or withdrawls when trying to taper off or quit cold turkey&#8230;personally i wouldnt advise ANYONE to quit anything cold turkey because you do not know how your body will react.  either you or your doctor should make the decision about cutting down , tappering off, whatever u want to call it&#8230;and if he doesnt do it for you, do it yourself, slowly&#8230;and eventually&#8230;hopefully without any relapses, you will be drug free</p>
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